Arrrrgghh.

aalexander

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Well, I opened up my other wing yesterday. It was an afternoon of surprises, none of them good. There is a single line in the airframe logbook which says "repaired left wing as per w/o # XXXXXXX" and has the stamp of a now defunct repair station. Amazing what can be concealed in such a sucinct entry. The first surprise what that the repair station had attatched the fabric using small head *steel* pop rivets. Since I'm recovering, no big deal, except that the steel rivets are extremely difficult to drill out correctly. The drill shows an affinity for eating the (comparitively) soft aluminum of the rib rather than the harder steel of the rivet, so the holes tend to wind up bigger and oblong.

The next discovery was that the rear spar had obviously broken as it was spliced, and not a factory splice. The doublers on the splice, instead of the 1:5 "feathering" specified in 43-13 were merely given a 45 degree bevel. THere's evidence that a previous doubler was pried up, taking with it bits of wood from the spar.

In order to affect this repair, one of the ribs had to be removed from the spars. This had been accomplished by cutting the rib where the spars goe through. I don't know if this is kosher in itself, but the "repair" of the cut rib was crudely fashioned (and I do mean crude) doublers, which were fastened to the rib with the same dime store steel pop rivets used to attatch the fabric. I'm surprised that they didn't make the doublers out of an old tomato can

The final surprise came as we removed the leading edge metal, and discovered that in the area of the repair (wing root to one rib outboard of the fuel tank) the aluminum angles which run along the nose ribs under the leading edge metal to give additional support to the leading edge metal had just been torn off, and not replaced. And by torn, I do mean torn. The remainder of the strips on the untouched portion of the wing were just torn off, not cut. Amazing. Mostly, I'm just venting here. I find it very discouraging to see crappy work done by people who know better. Any commentary is welcomed.


By the way, is anyone else out there in the middle of a champ/citabria recover project?
 
I,ve seen some "unique' repairs also. But they tend to hang in there for the duration. Everyone works to a different level of quality.
The 43.13 has a lot of great information in it, but is not approved data for repairs. The factory service manual is the only approved information. If no process exists in the factory information, than the 43.13 can be used to supply acceptable information to the FAA for approval.
I,m rebuilding a 7ECA. I have the fuselage covered and the wings are rebuilt but uncovered. Looking for a O320 to install on it.
Paul
 
Your going to get a post from Jerry Jr saying what a bargain his exchange wings are........


I would think hard about accepting his offer !
 
Paul Agaliotis said:
I,ve seen some "unique' repairs also. But they tend to hang in there for the duration. Everyone works to a different level of quality.
The 43.13 has a lot of great information in it, but is not approved data for repairs. The factory service manual is the only approved information. If no process exists in the factory information, than the 43.13 can be used to supply acceptable information to the FAA for approval.
I,m rebuilding a 7ECA. I have the fuselage covered and the wings are rebuilt but uncovered. Looking for a O320 to install on it.
Paul

So what would be the source of factory information? I have a Citabria Service manual (Univair reprint of a bellanca manual) but it's not a terribly detailed manual. Of course, there's service letters and bulletins, but is there a more detailed service manual available?

Did you install the Millman spars when you rebuilt the wing? If so how was that? Any comments on the process?
 
Well, to make an unbias opinion (obviously I have bias, and I have non-financial reasons).

Basically, if you are 'do-it-yourself' kinda guy. The Millmans will be cheaper since the labor cost is absorbed by you. If you want to pay someone shop time for the assembly and covering, ACA wings are now a bargain, unless you got a buddy who works cheap.
This is reinforced by the increased gross weight a 7ECA (I am assuming a 7ECA...which model?) recieves and the fact the ACA wings will be 100% new parts (tanks, everything) covered and painted. Just open the huge wood box and bolt em on.
 
Jerry,

Thanks for your input, and I think you're probably correct that if I was paying somone to rebuid the wings, your wings would be the simplest, most cost-effective route to getting me flying again, not to mention the gross weight increase and all. I am however, a do-it yourself guy (along with the help of 2 good friends who are a&p's) and for me the project is part of the recreation, (a little like homebuilding). So, I'll probably opt for the Milman conversion.

BTW I just received a response from your folks on another issue and was pleasantly surprised to find that I can order individual ribs for my rusted out rudder at a reasonable price. Thanks for supporting these airplanes.

Andrew
 
Andrew,
Any factory publication concerning repair or service is approved data. Repairs and maintenance are accomplished using approved data. The 43.13 is (by title) acceptable methods and practices. If a repair method in the 43.13 is in conflict with a factory proceedure, only the factory repair is considered approved. It,s easy to repair the defect to the improper reference.
I replaced the spars in my wings with wood spars. I dont see any advantage in using metal spars. The spar blanks are about $300 each and you need three. You can get both rear spars from one blank. The spar is nothing more than a plank with four doublers glued to it and 36? holes, if memory serves. I did install the SAR strut fitting, a nice piece with a extra strap.
American Champion is a wonderful company to do business with. I have bought a number of parts from them. The aircraft and parts they produce are the reason so many aircraft are still flying. I think the option of the metal is great. My problem is in the marketing of the spars. Paul
 
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