No more Marvel- Schleber Carbs!
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Jonathan Baron
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Bad news for many people, DD, because a huge precentage of piston powered aircraft - post Stromburg - use them. I have one on my Cruisemaster, all the Cessna 150s and 152s have them, and...I stuggle to think of an aircraft that didn't. Lynn or Larry could probably cover the mile long list.
They could still get insurance; they could not afford it. As the owner laments, they'd get named in so many law suits that nothing to do with the carburators at all...much the way the vacuum pump manufacturing firm was driven out of business in the Carnahan lawsuit even though vacuum pump failure had nothing to do with the accident.
Neither political party is interested in Tort reform. You can't even bring it up in Congress without legions of lawyers parading victims of true mechanical and medical evil in front of news cameras.
Jonathan
They could still get insurance; they could not afford it. As the owner laments, they'd get named in so many law suits that nothing to do with the carburators at all...much the way the vacuum pump manufacturing firm was driven out of business in the Carnahan lawsuit even though vacuum pump failure had nothing to do with the accident.
Neither political party is interested in Tort reform. You can't even bring it up in Congress without legions of lawyers parading victims of true mechanical and medical evil in front of news cameras.
Jonathan
Larry Lowenkron
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Other than the pressure carbs in a few planes (early Bonanzas with the E-225, etc) who else made carbs? You don't really see a whole lot of Strombergs in anything made after 1950 do you? At least I can't think of any off hand. I read of the case that I think prcipitated this issue. Art Wold strikes again...for those of you who don't know of him, he is an attorney who seems to specialize in these type of cases (aviation product liability).
Anyway I copied the following from AOPA on line, so maybe the world really isn't coming to an end...just getting more expensive.
Insurance woes stop carburetor manufacturer
By Steven W. Ells
Claiming a total inability to purchase product liability insurance, the carburetor arm of Precision Airmotive announced on Nov. 1 that it was suspending carburetor and carburetor parts shipments while it reviews the company's options.
The Everett, Wash., company holds the manufacturing rights for the carburetors used on the majority of light aircraft. The suspension is expected to last from one to two weeks.
A spokesman reassured AOPA that the product line won't disappear. Precision's liability insurance woes have been growing as evidenced by new carburetor price increases of 70 percent over the last two years. Insurance premiums eclipsed gross sales figures last year.
Precision's decision to stop parts shipping for a few weeks probably won't have a big effect on the industry because there are at least two sources for most common carburetor wear or rebuild parts.
November 6, 2007
Anyway I copied the following from AOPA on line, so maybe the world really isn't coming to an end...just getting more expensive.
Insurance woes stop carburetor manufacturer
By Steven W. Ells
Claiming a total inability to purchase product liability insurance, the carburetor arm of Precision Airmotive announced on Nov. 1 that it was suspending carburetor and carburetor parts shipments while it reviews the company's options.
The Everett, Wash., company holds the manufacturing rights for the carburetors used on the majority of light aircraft. The suspension is expected to last from one to two weeks.
A spokesman reassured AOPA that the product line won't disappear. Precision's liability insurance woes have been growing as evidenced by new carburetor price increases of 70 percent over the last two years. Insurance premiums eclipsed gross sales figures last year.
Precision's decision to stop parts shipping for a few weeks probably won't have a big effect on the industry because there are at least two sources for most common carburetor wear or rebuild parts.
November 6, 2007
NC74392
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Just got off ebaY after buying a minor repair kit and a needle valve for the MA3-SPA on my Frankie. $191.00 shipped.
Once I finish overhauling the 6A4-150-B3, would it be a good idea to overhaul the carb or would that be a case of fixing something that ain't broke? :?
Unreasonable lawsuits ruining it for the rest of us. Sometimes I get the feeling there's alot of people that would just prefer us pilots not fly at all (insert other fun stuff like driving cars, shooting guns, sailing, boating, etc..) :x
Once I finish overhauling the 6A4-150-B3, would it be a good idea to overhaul the carb or would that be a case of fixing something that ain't broke? :?
Unreasonable lawsuits ruining it for the rest of us. Sometimes I get the feeling there's alot of people that would just prefer us pilots not fly at all (insert other fun stuff like driving cars, shooting guns, sailing, boating, etc..) :x
Jonathan Baron
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The role of Lawyers in the United States made people here blink in astonishment when they saw the protests recently in Pakistan. The folks protesting totalitarian rule and the loss of human rights and civil liberties, the people getting gassed, beaten, and dragged into trucks were all wearing suits. The were all Lawyers.
For me it was as blinking eye strange as seeing hundreds of thousands of Germans engaged in peace marches prior to the Iraq war....GERMANS protesting against WAR :?: :!: Sorry...it's probably a generational thing.
I often, but certainly not always, enjoy it when sensibilities in other nations sharply contrast with our own. In England, for example, their Lawyers - their Barristers - are held in high esteem, even though they wear those silly wigs in court if they're trial Lawyers. The real reason is that so few are involved in greedy, slimy things. Most of the liability lawsuits we tolerate here are routinely dismissed there. Plus fewer people bring them because they have to pay for all court costs if their suit is dismissed.
And, finally, I truly enjoyed it when 60 Minutes' Lestlie Stahl asked the typical non-of-your-fracking-business question when interviewing the current French President. When she asked about his disintegrating marriage, he gave her a curious expression, unplugged his lapel mic, got up, and calmy walked away. Bravo!!
Too many people need remedial education of what the words, private and accident, mean.
Others suffer from a condition I may have mentioned - HDDD: Hide Density Deficiency Disorder. I'm not about to stir up a damned rally or affect a sense of outrage if someone, for example, were to call me a crippled kike. Revealing your noxious brain, especially to the public, and thus ruining you standing and publicly held esteem, even if that "public" if large or very small, is its own punishment.
Let's deal with real. Which brings us back to the damned cost of even so much as an overhaul kit for the most widely used carburator in General Aviation :evil:
Jonathan
For me it was as blinking eye strange as seeing hundreds of thousands of Germans engaged in peace marches prior to the Iraq war....GERMANS protesting against WAR :?: :!: Sorry...it's probably a generational thing.
I often, but certainly not always, enjoy it when sensibilities in other nations sharply contrast with our own. In England, for example, their Lawyers - their Barristers - are held in high esteem, even though they wear those silly wigs in court if they're trial Lawyers. The real reason is that so few are involved in greedy, slimy things. Most of the liability lawsuits we tolerate here are routinely dismissed there. Plus fewer people bring them because they have to pay for all court costs if their suit is dismissed.
And, finally, I truly enjoyed it when 60 Minutes' Lestlie Stahl asked the typical non-of-your-fracking-business question when interviewing the current French President. When she asked about his disintegrating marriage, he gave her a curious expression, unplugged his lapel mic, got up, and calmy walked away. Bravo!!
Too many people need remedial education of what the words, private and accident, mean.
Others suffer from a condition I may have mentioned - HDDD: Hide Density Deficiency Disorder. I'm not about to stir up a damned rally or affect a sense of outrage if someone, for example, were to call me a crippled kike. Revealing your noxious brain, especially to the public, and thus ruining you standing and publicly held esteem, even if that "public" if large or very small, is its own punishment.
Let's deal with real. Which brings us back to the damned cost of even so much as an overhaul kit for the most widely used carburator in General Aviation :evil:
Jonathan