tail wheel shimmy - any advise?

zubbo

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Hi Citabria-mad friends,

I have a Citabria 1973 model 150hp with the , I think, original tail wheel. Every now and then on a 3-pointer landing the tail wheel shimmy`s badly and feels like the tail wheel tire falls off- on slow speed the shimmy recovers and all is well. I checked the structure and all is well- nothing buckles as far as I can see. Can anyone please advise on what might be the problem?

Thanx,

beyers
 
Hi what Make & Model tailwheel is installed , a Maule or a Scott? Do the connector springs have tension on them?
 
Have you checked the tire pressure? When I first got mine, it shimmyed a bit, sometimes. When I got it home, I found it had only about 20 pounds of air. I pumped it up and the problem seems to be gone. It was that, or I got better at landing it! :D

bill
 
Thanx for the replies so far!! Its a scott tailwheel I think and the springs have some tension but the wheel castores permanently - is that normal? (had a matco tailwheel on my previous Kitfox-type aerie which only castored when turned more than 45 degrees- this was nice because I could steer the wheel with rudders as well. I will test the tyre pressure- havnt checked it... From reading a lot on the internet regarding shimmy it sounds like when you yaw on landing the springs could twist and result in a shimmy of the tail wheel so maybe its my now and again bad landing practice?
 
That Scott tail wheel should have some definate locking to it. If it just castors freely, you might want to have a look inside. I had a Stinson that started having a sever shimmy. Someone who watched me land said the wheel was just castoring around rapidly. A few landings with that condition, before I got it fixed chewed up the tire! Maybe you can have someone watch you land, or have them watch you do tail high fast taxi then lower the tail. For a temporary fix, try poping the stick forward a little bit when the shimmy starts, take a bit of weight off it.

Bill
 
HI as Bill posted I'd first check the air pressure, the Scott is an excellent tailwheel but they do need some attention from time to time. When I had my Super Cub I liked 50 to 60 PSI in the tire I know many use less but that what I liked for all around good results. If that doesn't help jack up the tail and block it up so the wt is off the tailwheel grab the wheel and se that it is tight on the spring and that the king bolt is tight with the wt off moving the rudder from side to side should turn the tailwheel at about 45 degrees it should unlock(you may have to twist the wheel) and full swivel if it doesn't lock so that the steering arms turn the wheel then the catch spring inside maybe worn out item # 22 in the parts break down, heres a link to the Alsaka Bushwheels parts they are interchangeable with Scott parts and cost less.
http://www.akbushwheel.com/DirectReplacementParts.html
Hope this helps
 
I had a lot of shimmy on my 7ECA when I bought it. I tried air pressure, new springs, etc. all to no avail. I had a couple shops look at it and they did things like lubricate it. Then I found some info on CitabriaPilots group in Yahoo. I've copied it here but it can be found under "Tailwheel Shimmy" in the files section of the Yahoo group. If you go to the Yahoo group files there are excellent pictures that show exactly what he is talking about. I cured my problem by getting the geometry correct. Here is the text, submitted by Gilbert Pierce, Technical Counselor, EAA Chapter 182:

Tail Wheel Shimmy
I noticed when flying my Piper Clipper heavily loaded I experience tail wheel shimmy on my Scott 3200 when landing on a hard surface such as concrete or asphalt. Several years ago I was parked at the landing end of runway 36L at Oshkosh. I always get tail wheel shimmy when landing there. This afforded me the opportunity to observe many landings as I lounged under my wing. It was here that I made the discovery that about 50% of the tail wheel airplanes landing on 36L experienced tail wheel shimmy. I believe the grooved runway exacerbates the problem. Anyway those tail wheels were not just shaking side to side, they were rotating around their pivot axis 360 degrees and doing so violently. On my recent trip to Alaska I had tail wheel shimmy on almost every landing unless I really greased it on. On my return I vowed to solve the problem.

I started the quest for a solution on the Internet. I was told that if you raised your tail wheel tire air pressure it would assure the tail wheel would shimmy no more. I was told to reduce the tail wheel air pressure. I was told I had too much grease in the tail wheel. I was told that if the tail wheel didn’t spit grease at you when walked by it, it did not have enough grease hence the shimmy. I was told to loosen my steering springs, I was told to tighten my springs. I was told that the pivot axis must be absolutely vertical so that the surface the tail wheel swivels on is parallel with the ground hence the pivot bolt would be vertical. Mine was. I was told the pivot bolt must face forward at the top, I was told the pivot bolt must face aft at the top. So what did I do? I took the tail wheel apart and made sure it was mechanically in top-notch condition and adjusted to the manufactures specifications-again. It was. Then I tried each and every remedy listed above except changing the angle of the pivot bolt, no help. The Scott 2000 tail wheel does require some tension on the steering springs to control the unlock tension and hence shimmy. The Scott 3200 installation instructions say that chain tension is not required or recommended.

Next I got out an old 1950’s auto repair manual that explained king pin front wheel suspension systems and steering castor angle. If you have ever pushed a grocery cart through the supermarket with one of the front wheels shaking side to side you have experienced wheel shimmy and improper castor angle. What I learned from the chapter on steering alignment was basic steering geometry. To measure your steering geometry, drop a line drawn parallel to and through the pivot axis and extend it to the floor and make a mark on the floor where this line hits or use a straight edge parallel to the steering axis shaft. Next drop a line vertically from your tail wheel axle to the floor or again use a straight edge and make a mark on the floor. This will also be where your tail wheel contacts the floor. Now move this line or straight edge that passed from the axle to the wheel/floor contact point horizontally until intersects the pivot axis line at the pivot axis midpoint The line that is parallel to the steering axis must hit the floor ahead of the line dropped vertically from the wheel axle. The angle formed by these two lines is your castor angle. The larger the castor angle the better as far as tail wheel shimmy is concerned. In other words, the farther ahead of the tail wheel that the steering axis line hits the floor the greater the castor angle and the less likely that will have shimmy. To put it another way, the steering axis pin or bolt must be vertical or tilted with the top pointing behind or to the rear of the airplane when the airplane is fully loaded. Emphasis on fully loaded.

When my airplane was empty the steering axis bolt was vertical. When I loaded the airplane, the tail wheel spring compressed and the top of the steering axis bolt was pointing to the front of the airplane. This would put the extension of a line drawn through the steering axis behind the tail wheel contact point. Bad news-it will now shimmy. You don’t want the castor angle to be too large because it will make steering on the ground more difficult. The large castor angle will tend to lift the rear of the airplane slightly as you turn the aircraft. This is called self-centering effect. Having the steering axis bolt vertical or inclined slightly with the top pointing back when fully loaded should be sufficient.

So how do you correct this angle? There are two easy solutions. If your airplane is like most, the spring is bolted at the front to the airframe with a bolt that passes through the spring leaves. The spring then rests on a pad several inches behind the point through which the through bolt passes. Usually the spring is clamped to the pad at this point. You can add a shim between the pad and the spring to increase your steering angle. Or you can take the route I took. I took the spring off and laid it on a piece of poster board and traced out it’s arch. Then I took the spring to a spring shop and had them re-bend the spring until the tail wheel end of it was about 1-1/2 inches below the original. In other words I increased the arch slightly. Walla-no more shimmy when loaded.

One other point. You should carry sufficient air pressure in your tail wheel to keep the tire firmly attached to the rim when it hits the pavement on landing. Due to the small diameter of the tail wheel, it accelerates very rapidly on contact. If you have insufficient pressure in the tire it will slip on the rim and cut the valve stem. You now have a flat tail wheel tire. I know- it’s happened to me twice. I now carry a minimum of 45 pounds of pressure in my Scott tail wheel. The same thing can happen to your main tires but with more surface contact area around the rim it is less likely to happen unless your plane lands at very high speeds.

Tail Wheel with Positive and Negative Castor Angles – exaggerated The terms positive and negative are simply the naming the convention I choose to use as they agree with my text book references.

Gilbert Pierce
Technical Counselor
EAA Chapter 182
 
My shimmy problem went away when I installed a new leaf spring. I got it from ACA. I got the new mounting hardware and rubber pad, too. It was a quick swap and not too expensive. The old spring was just tired.
 
Pierce's article is correct. Springs do get 'tired' after years of use. They can be re-arched. It doesn't cost much and it works! I've done it several times on different taildraggers.
 
Pierce's article help me find my problem. I thought it was a worn spring so ordered a new one. When it came it seemed to be arched the same as the old one. When I looked more carefully at my tailwheel assembly I found a 1/2" shim that wasn't called for in the parts or service manual of my Citabria. I removed it. The camber then agreed with the picture accompany Pierce's article. The shimmy disappeared. I returned the new spring.
 
Since the Scott is designed to be steerable you must first resolve that problem.


zubbo said:
Hi Citabria-mad friends,

I have a Citabria 1973 model 150hp with the , I think, original tail wheel. Every now and then on a 3-pointer landing the tail wheel shimmy`s badly and feels like the tail wheel tire falls off- on slow speed the shimmy recovers and all is well. I checked the structure and all is well- nothing buckles as far as I can see. Can anyone please advise on what might be the problem?

Thanx,

beyers
 
I had this problem with my tail wheel when I first purchased my airplane. While changing the tail wheel iner-tube, I noticed there was a minute amount of play in the wheel. I had this fixed, and no more shimmy since. The mechanic was at first scheptical- he did not think that small amount of slop would make a difference. But when you consider the speed of the tail wheel on landing, it transmits that shimmy throughout the airplane.
 
Thanx a mil guys!! I am having the spring replaced and locking fixed- will let you know if it works.
 
Put a 1/4 inch spacer on top of the leaf spring. You may need to use longer u-bolt or bolts depending on you config. Or take your leaf spring to a auto spring shop and have them put more bend in it. To stop shimmey you HAVE to have positive angle at your swivel. Meaning the front of the swivel needs to be higher than the back. This will solve your problem
 
Thanx- will definately bend the springs soon- just waiting for the local AMO to get the citabria on his license - not a lot of guys left in South Africa that can work on tailwheel aircraft- dying breed
 
I just had my tail wheel spring re-arched 1-1/2 more. Everyone in the shop says it looks odd. I told them it is going to solve the shimmy. The annual will be finished in a day or so and I will test it out. I will reply with mt results.

jbanks
 
Hi Guys, My springs are now perfect and no more shimmy. The turning axle on the scott tailwheel is now 90 degrees with the ground as it should be. Thanx for all the help!!
 
My 2005 8KCAB has about 350 hours and I have experienced infrequent tail wheel shimmy since the plane was new. While doing a stall landing in light winds yesterday with passenger, 1/2 fuel and the back crammed full of luggage the tail wheel started a violent shimmy. I pushed the stick to neutral and the shimmy stopped immediately. For my plane it seems to be related to the weight placed on tail wheel.
 
You are probably correct about the extra weight in back. If mine shimmy's at all it is when I have extra weight
 
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